The wimpification of Will Turner
After seeing Pirates/Dead Man's Chest and reading my Top Ten Reasons Cap'n Jack won't Get the Girl, Diana wrote:
But can I just RANT for a moment, having finally seen this film today? WHY DID THEY TURN WILL INTO A PUSSY?
Dude, what was up at the end when he was like, "elizabeth, I shall help you find the man you've been cheating on me with!"
No, Will! Don't!
And then Mary wrote:
As for Will, I think he's feeling as betrayed by Jack as by Liz.
So.
Has Will been emasculated, converted from Hero-Material into a pansy? A disposable third-corner-of-a-love-triangle?
Or is it a case of true luuuurve....whatever she wants, he'll get for her (even if it kills him to do it) 'cause he wants her to be happy?
Or (and this gets my vote) does Will want to pull Captain Jack out of the belly of the Kraken so he can kick his ass for trying to steal his girl and sending him off as a sacrifice to Davy Jones?
Colleen Gleason stepped onstage at 7/17/2006 07:48:00 AM
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I was just screaming "No!" in my head when that scene played where Elizabeth was kissing Jack and Will saw it. Arrgghh! Poor Will, who is much more heroic in my eyes. I think it might be either the "I'll give her what she wants to make her happy" or the ass-kicking of Jack explanations.
When I watched that scene, I had a couple of things going through head: 1) this was NOT the movie to take my 6 year old to (dummy me) and 2) what would Will find more gut-renching, the fact she was swapping spit with Jack or the fact she was chaining him up to meet his doom. I think she was curious about Jack and also her actions go to prove she is more of a pirate than Will. She loves Will, but I think she wonders if she is worthy of him now. I'm probably putting way too much thought into this.
Actually Rene, you hit on something that I think is important--and why I think ultimately the Liz and Jack won't be together: they're too much alike.
She's way more of a pirate than Will; he's the honorable one.
And I think she was curious about Jack...especially after that first almost-kiss.
But am I the only one who noticed Jack not being as dirty in this flick? I remember his teeth being darker, and his fingers being dirtier in the first movie.
Pirates II...my vote is for Will, I'll have to say. I think Elizabeth kissed Jack to distract him from handcuffing him to the boat. I believe her heart belongs to the Heroic Will. :-) Elizabeth might have some attraction to Jack's spirit but I think ultimately she loves Will. I hope anyway! :-)
My vote is for Will. Yes, I love Jack, he's a bad boy, but, I'm not sure he's redeemable. Or, if he is, I don't want him redeemed by Elizabeth. Honestly, a redeemed Captain Jack Sparrow? Boring.
Will, is the consummate hero. Brave, dashing, romantic, drop dead gorgeous.
I'm hoping he tries to save Jack so he can kick his butt. :-) And that Elizabeth, if she kissed Jack out of curiosity, realizes she's messing up a good thing with Will.
Go, Will!
Nicely said, Pris and Elizabeth.
It has to be Will...an always heroic Jack Sparrow would be boring. That's why we like him...we live for those moments when he does something out of character--ie, heroic.
An e-mail from Diana pointed me to this discussion. I went to see Pirates for the second time last night (and liked it much better the second time around though I can't figure out why). I hope you don't mind me adding my 2 cents.
I have to agree with Elizabeth in that I think Elizabeth in Pirates kissed Jack merely as a distraction. She knows she has this seductive charm over Jack and kissed him to show him that she can manipulate just as well as he can when it comes to saving her own (and Will's) backside. I would equate it to the scene in the first movie when they're stranded on the island and she gets him drunk so she can burn all the rum. She was definitely playing on Jack's lust then, too (just didn't go so far as a kiss).
As for Diana's notion of Will turning into a pussy in the end for wanting to save Jack... after watching it the second time, I think she may be wrong. (Sorry, Diana.) I really think Will views Jack (no matter how terrible he can be at times and how much danger he's put Will in) as a magical portal to achieving the impossible. Before Jack came into his life, I'm sure he had no vision of actually landing Elizabeth or becoming anything more than a sword maker's apprentice.
If you want to save your undead father from an eternal servitude with Davy Jone's... really... who's going to make it happen for you? If it were me I'd also put my money on Captain Jack Sparrow, whether my girl has kissed him or not. And maybe it takes more balls to save the one man who can make it all happen for you (despite everything else) than to walk away.
Sorry for the lengthy ramble...
Annie, thanks for coming by! I'm so glad you did, and your post was not a ramble.
In fact, you've made a really good point about Will and his relationship with Jack. I hadn't thought of it that way, and I think you are on to something. He would have been no one if Jack hadn't come along, and he would never have had a chance for Elizabeth.
Very interesting your point about Will thinking of Jack as being the conduit for the impossible. I love it!
I do agree with everyone who said that Liz kissed Jack because she knew it would distract him. And I'm sure there was a healthy bit of curiosity there, too. ;-)
Great discussion. Thanks to everyone for stopping by!
If you want to save your undead father from an eternal servitude with Davy Jone's... really... who's going to make it happen for you?
Okay, yeah, that's a really good point, Annie.
Still has me pissed, though...
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